AtlantaWaterShortage.com launches a new wiki
With the wealth of information about the drought that is available, we thought a wiki might be a good way to help organize it.
You are encouraged to participate and help build a strong collection of facts and information about the drought. There are about 17 pages so far, including things such as the scheduled daily releases from Buford Dam, definitions for things like cfs and AMSL and a variety of other things.
Some people are confused about the difference between our forums and our wiki. In short, the wiki is for purely factual information, while the forums are designed to share ideas and opinions. For example:
- “A prayer vigil was held on Tuesday, November 13 to pray for rain…” — This could go in a wiki entry.
- “The government doesn’t need to get involved with praying for rain…” — This would in the forums.
I hope that this becomes a useful resource for many of you.
November 23rd, 2007 at 11:35 am
The dam at Lake Lanier seems to have two names: Buford and Woodruff. Was the dam originally named Buford and changed to Woodruff? Just would like this cleared up confusion in names clarified.
November 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 am
Two other questions:1) What is the confirmed actually daily discharge amount from Lanier in gallons?
2) What is the confirmed intake from lake watershed daily?
Knowing this can determine the exact day of reaching dead pool. level.
November 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 am
One last question: the dead pool spots in Lanier Lake were once small natural lakes that were swallowed up when Buford Dam was constructed?
November 23rd, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Jay, the Woodruff Dam is a different dam, located on or near the Georgia Florida state line. Lake Seminole is a man-made lake located in the southwest corner of Georgia along its border with Florida. The Chattahoochee and Flint rivers join in the lake, before flowing from the Jim Woodruff Lock and Dam, which impounds the lake, as the Apalachicola River. The lake contains 37,500 acres of water.
November 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 pm
I’m not sure where to contribute?
I would like to see a drought time line. When the drought started, when restrictions went into place, when a request was made to decrease the outflow, challenging the ESA, etc.
good luck!
November 23rd, 2007 at 12:18 pm
wspurlock > thanks for the clarification on dam at Lake Lanier. I have been reading various articles on the drought and some confusion cropped up on dam names. When I went to Lake Lanier a week ago I drove on a road called Swuanee Dam and then onto Dam road.
Many years ago I lived in California and a reservoir nearby was named “Puddingstone” and was changed to “Frank G. Bonneli,” but everybody refused to accept the name change and continued to call it the old one.
November 23rd, 2007 at 12:40 pm
So there is approx. 18 feet of Water level in Lake Lanier till it falls to the dead pool level, and is dropping about 5+ feet a month, so means about 3 to 4 months before dead pool. Now I see where AJC newspaper gets there countdown number of 90 days and falling. So has anyone figured out how long the brackish dead pool water will last till bone dry? And as that water is withdrawn will intake water from watershed flow into the dead pool area or still flow out the dam down the river?
November 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 pm
In 1980 the population was 2,233,324 then the drought 1981. In 1990 the populous grew too 2,959,950 but by 2000 it was this 4,112,198, 2006 population of metro Atlanta is 5,138,223. Lake Laneir cannot sustain this! The kicker, people STILL moving there.
I am not saying this IS the reason for troubles, but it is a BIG part. Atlanta & Lake Laneir “could” be assisted by the thinning of the populous through citizens moving somewhere else maybe?
t
November 23rd, 2007 at 1:48 pm
trebor > hard for a couple million people to leave Atlanta on short notice now. Those who rent, or lease, apartments or houses can pack up and leave, but where do they go? Do they spread out all over America? And, what about all the middle class homeowners in Atlanta area? Who will buy their homes so they can flee the drought? Go to Lake Lanier and see all the homes for sale, but no fool will buy one located on a drying up lake.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Go to thread below this one to see that Woodruff Dam located at bottom of Georgia releases 3.2 billion gallons of water daily down the river into Florida. Buford Dam at Lake Lanier releases 2+ billion gallons a day and on November 15, 2007 released 2.6 billion gallons the highest since May 2006.
November 23rd, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Jay, I just added your release information to the Buford Dam page.
November 23rd, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Thanks wspurlock > the various government agencies are playing games on amount of water actually released from Lake Lanier. Article to read is “Decision due Friday on Lanier water for mussels,” on 11-16-07, by AJC newspaper in Atlanta. It gives out info on water released and the fact more water being dumped out than before. Was water amount of 2.6 billion gallons cut back on Friday the 16th?
November 23rd, 2007 at 6:12 pm
As you are able to resolve the various questions in these comments, please post your answers in the wiki. By its nature a wiki is editable by anyone, so have at it!
November 24th, 2007 at 9:31 am
Has anyone looked up in the skies this morning??? There are huge, white con-trails in the sky - horizon to horizon this morning. I think they are Chemical Trails and that the sky is being sprayed systematically by these jets to RETARD rain cloud formation…Don’t believe me, JUST LOOK UP TODAY - What are they doing??? They only show up when there is a “threat” of rain…Normal contrails would dissipate, these do not….strange.
November 24th, 2007 at 9:32 am
by the way, I am north of the city of atlanta in the suburbs.
November 24th, 2007 at 10:52 am
Sponge > one could hope the government would spray silver iodide over Atlanta to promote the formation of more rain. Jet con-trails are just evidence of increased air-traffic, over Atlanta airport, which might contribute to rain suppression because of the chemicals emitted from jet fuel.
November 24th, 2007 at 11:30 am
Some good news: huge rainstorm has developed to the west of Georgia, moving east rapidly, so the area might get around 2 inches of rain on Sunday and Monday. This will give some recharge to Lake Lanier, but by no means end the drought. Gov. Perdue might try to milk it that his prayers were answered, so be aware of his baloney.
November 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Thank you Jay. Let’s cross our fingers.
November 24th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Sponge - you are right on! I’ve seen them too! So many - so often!!!
China has publicly announced that they are going to control the weather for the Olympics. Do we really think that the USA doesn’t have the same capability?
This Cat smells a Rat!
November 25th, 2007 at 12:56 am
First mass of clouds of the next storm split into two parts. Upper half went around Atlanta over extreme northern part of Georgia and lower half blew into the Florida panhandle. If this continues to happen, then Atlanta will dry up completely and become unlivable.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:46 am
Here’s a link to a story on the unlikely benefits of “cloud seeding” to alleviate our drought:
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/11/too-late-for-cl.html
-st
November 25th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Yep -Curious isn’t it - the rain clouds for today moved to the north and south of ATL just after all those lovely Chem trails were sprayed over ATL yesterday. This was not to “seed the clouds” but to prevent them from coming to ATL. There will probably be more chem trails today but they will be harder to see through the clouds. Hopefully this next batch of rain clouds will be stronger and able to push through the chem trails. This has been going on for awhile now. If you don’t understand - Google it! The information is out there - you just have to do some research for the truth!
This Cat smells a BIG Rat!!!
November 25th, 2007 at 9:36 am
New forecast for Atlanta area today > chance of light rain later today. Very strange how last night the storm drying up over Atlanta and then reformed on the east coastline. Look at the weather radar this morning. Rain along Georgia’s coastline and Carolina’s and coming into Alabama from the west.
November 25th, 2007 at 10:14 am
This might explain rainfall suppression around Atlanta: “Recent evidence suggests that pollution from cars and factories lessons rainfall downwind of cities in winter by stunting precipitation growth in clouds.”
Link: http://tv.gsfe.nasa.gov/G03-067_earth.html
The studies done on Atlanta also claim that in summer the city becomes a heat island causing severe thunderstorm activity to form directly over the city, but in turn to rob surrounding areas of precipitation.
I witnessed this happening last summer. Thunderstorms gushed rain on Atlanta itself flushing down into sewers, thus NO benefit to Lake Lanier to the north. I watched the storms fall apart heading toward Stone Mountain where I live at present.
Excessive chem-trials from jet traffic over Atlanta airport might cause suppression of rainfall due to the pollutants in jet fuel.
Atlanta itself is enhancing the drought and thus enhancing to its own demise from lack of potable water in reservoirs.
November 25th, 2007 at 10:18 am
Wrong link above > try this one: http://tv.gsfc.nasa.gov/G03-067_earth.html
November 25th, 2007 at 10:42 am
Well I’d say rooftop cisterns are the answer to that.
November 25th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Sorry Jay, but its not jet exhaust. The jets are spraying. As a matter of fact, I was in Florida over Thanksgiving on the southwest coast and I saw massive horizon to horizon chemtrails being laid across the wind flow which then expanded into milky, hazy skies and then blew east over the everglades. Have you heard that lake Okochobee and the everglades are far below normal and in drought conditions? There are many jets in the same skies and the same time, but their trails dissipate within 20 seconds and are at different altitudes. The chem trailers/sprayers run at high speed and high altitudes. Yesterday’s display of crisscrossing, horizon to horizon trails over Atlanta were some of the most agressive I have seen this year. The frequency and intensity really began to pick up in Aug - today… Gato, I smell a big rat…Jay, its NOT exhaust or contrails…keep looking up my friends, something is afoot…..Is it NOAA, is it NASA, is it ?? NOAA has weather modification programs and large jets. Bottom line, we are still in drought, and all storms seem to dissipate upon approach - sorry, but something unatural is going on.
November 25th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Guys - you are making this forum lose credibility with chemtrail nonsense. Scientists have thoroughly debunked these wild conspiracy theories.
http://www.debunker.com/conspiracy.html
November 25th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Sponge > why would the government want to cause drought in the Southeast? What benefit would it gain them? Seems that if what you claim is true, then Bush has gone insane or wants anarchy.
I do know that Atlanta airport has excessive backup of aircraft now, so they are told to circle the city as they wait to land. The pollution from the chem-trails are enhancing the suppression of rainfall for sure.
Atlanta’s over-development is making the drought worse and causing desertification of Georgia. Halting continued growth will prevent the climate change getting worse, but not stop what it has already caused.
November 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
I don’t mind the chemtrail discussion, but it’s getting a bit off-topic for this post. Please continue it in the forums.
http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/forums/
Thanks.
November 25th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Mickey is right, Jay/RichS. It’s a little off topic for this post. But, since you asked, I will say in closing (and not to get too wild) there are many possible reasons and will give you two and then let it go. If the govt is interested in maintaining its current power then: (1) Cause a regional natural disaster large enough to declare martial law and render states and local govts powerless and nullify the constitution. Or (2), cause a natural regional disaster which dislocates the voting electorate thereby deferring an election or cancelling - this would keep the current power structure in place until “they” decide. Power corrupts and is addictive, history shows that. I am for the constitution and those in power today are doing everything to dis-assemble it.. On chemtrails, do your own research by first looking to the skies with reason…Maybe we can get something started on the wiki - Thanks mickey.
November 25th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
And here I thought it was those darn space aliens…
November 25th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
People - listen to Sponge - he speaks the truth! Knowledge is power - do the research and you will see too!
November 25th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
“Research” does not mean just because you read it on the internet that it’s true.
And you conspiracy theory nuts crack me up. Keep’em coming, laughter is good for the soul.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
The joke is on you, JC…
November 26th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Just to bounce this back on topic for a moment, the deadpool predictions based on average water loss and other metrics that had been in the forums is now on the wiki.
http://atlantawatershortage.com/wiki/index.php/Deadpool_predictor
November 26th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Excellent idea. Nice work!
November 28th, 2007 at 10:52 am
Anyone notice the lack of horizon to horizon chemtrails in the bright blue clear skies over Atlanta today? I guess they closed Atlanta Hartsfield airport today (?)… Only normal contrails that dissipate quickly are visible. Keep your eyes the sky - you will see. (sorry, mickey, just had to post one more on it)
November 28th, 2007 at 10:54 am
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