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	<title>Comments on: Six Flags White Water thinks they&#8217;ll open as usual, but they&#8217;re not sure</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RichS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could go either way on backyard pools, but it does seem like public pools provide a lot of enjoyment for a lot of kids (and adults) without a tremendous impact.  If we are at a point of worrying about availability of drinking water, then pools become pretty frivilous.  

Recent information seems to show that the danger of that is very remote.  The law should be amended to at least let all public or community pools open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could go either way on backyard pools, but it does seem like public pools provide a lot of enjoyment for a lot of kids (and adults) without a tremendous impact.  If we are at a point of worrying about availability of drinking water, then pools become pretty frivilous.  </p>
<p>Recent information seems to show that the danger of that is very remote.  The law should be amended to at least let all public or community pools open.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Sears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Sears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have a tendency to focus on violence and vandalism in the inner city, like that's the only place we have idle youth that get into mischief. 

It happens everywhere. My company manages community pools all over Atlanta from some very poor neighborhoods to some very rich neighborhoods. And I can tell you from personal experience, it doesn't matter where you live.  Kids will get into trouble.  We have just as many vandalism issues at neighborhoods with $600k+ homes as we do in inner city areas.  

Secondly, the fact is that pools do not use much water.  If you go to the pool two days in a row, the water you swam in today was the same water you swam in yesterday.  We filter and chemically treat the water. We need very little to top it off each week to replace lost water from evap, splash out and filter cleaning.  

The little bit of water that we'd save by keeping pools closed will cost us a lot:
1. Summer recreation and youth water sports programs for our kids to keep them healthy and out of trouble.  Swim lessons for kids who need to learn the life-saving skill of how to swim. Water aerobics programs for elderly and people with limited mobility. 
2. Health hazards that arise from unmaintained pools.  Bacteria and algae run rampant in umaintained pools. They turn into breeding grounds for mosquitos that can spread diseases like West Nile.  
3. The economic effects of collapse of multiple industries: swimming pool construction, maintenance, management, retail stores, chemical manufacturers, swim suit manufacturers and distributors, patio furniture manufacturing and sales, wholesale parts suppliers, the tourism and hotel industry.  The list goes on and on of all the industries that depend on swimming pools to operate. 
4. The economic effects of lower property values and quality of life.  How do you sell a house with a pool you can't use?   How do you sell Fortune 500 companies on moving their headquarters here when your quality of life is so low, you can't even go swimming in the summer? 
 
The EPD has yet to produce a shred of evidence supporting their belief that keeping swimming pools closed will save a significant amount of water.  

As I have calculated and reported on other posts, even if we had to completely drain and refill every commercial pool in Atlanta, we'd still use less water than many industrial users use in a month.  And we're not even asking for close to that. Most pools are kept at 85% or more of their normal level during the winter months. So all we really need to do to operate the pools is to top off the pools, and then add low maintenance amounts throughout the summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have a tendency to focus on violence and vandalism in the inner city, like that&#8217;s the only place we have idle youth that get into mischief. </p>
<p>It happens everywhere. My company manages community pools all over Atlanta from some very poor neighborhoods to some very rich neighborhoods. And I can tell you from personal experience, it doesn&#8217;t matter where you live.  Kids will get into trouble.  We have just as many vandalism issues at neighborhoods with $600k+ homes as we do in inner city areas.  </p>
<p>Secondly, the fact is that pools do not use much water.  If you go to the pool two days in a row, the water you swam in today was the same water you swam in yesterday.  We filter and chemically treat the water. We need very little to top it off each week to replace lost water from evap, splash out and filter cleaning.  </p>
<p>The little bit of water that we&#8217;d save by keeping pools closed will cost us a lot:<br />
1. Summer recreation and youth water sports programs for our kids to keep them healthy and out of trouble.  Swim lessons for kids who need to learn the life-saving skill of how to swim. Water aerobics programs for elderly and people with limited mobility.<br />
2. Health hazards that arise from unmaintained pools.  Bacteria and algae run rampant in umaintained pools. They turn into breeding grounds for mosquitos that can spread diseases like West Nile.<br />
3. The economic effects of collapse of multiple industries: swimming pool construction, maintenance, management, retail stores, chemical manufacturers, swim suit manufacturers and distributors, patio furniture manufacturing and sales, wholesale parts suppliers, the tourism and hotel industry.  The list goes on and on of all the industries that depend on swimming pools to operate.<br />
4. The economic effects of lower property values and quality of life.  How do you sell a house with a pool you can&#8217;t use?   How do you sell Fortune 500 companies on moving their headquarters here when your quality of life is so low, you can&#8217;t even go swimming in the summer? </p>
<p>The EPD has yet to produce a shred of evidence supporting their belief that keeping swimming pools closed will save a significant amount of water.  </p>
<p>As I have calculated and reported on other posts, even if we had to completely drain and refill every commercial pool in Atlanta, we&#8217;d still use less water than many industrial users use in a month.  And we&#8217;re not even asking for close to that. Most pools are kept at 85% or more of their normal level during the winter months. So all we really need to do to operate the pools is to top off the pools, and then add low maintenance amounts throughout the summer.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthSideNative</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthSideNative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think pools should open.But the scary part is that a public pool in summer is the only thing that keeps kids in inner-city areas from going wild during the hot temperatures.I hope the cops keep a close watch on the fire hydrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think pools should open.But the scary part is that a public pool in summer is the only thing that keeps kids in inner-city areas from going wild during the hot temperatures.I hope the cops keep a close watch on the fire hydrants.</p>
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		<title>By: richs</title>
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		<dc:creator>richs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Wendy.  Those darn kids have no right to be playing and having fun when they should be spending more of their time worrying.  That's the problem with kids these days.  Too much wholesome physical exercise.  Too little worrying.  I hope their playgrounds burn down too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Wendy.  Those darn kids have no right to be playing and having fun when they should be spending more of their time worrying.  That&#8217;s the problem with kids these days.  Too much wholesome physical exercise.  Too little worrying.  I hope their playgrounds burn down too.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope none of the pools are open.  There's a drought.  There are more important things to worry about than swimming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope none of the pools are open.  There&#8217;s a drought.  There are more important things to worry about than swimming.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Sears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Sears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys,

As crazy as this may sound, White Water is allowed to open under the current regulations.

See this article from the Gainsville Times where Kevin Chambers from the EPD is quoted as confirming that they are exempt. 

http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/archive/2606/

What makes no sense is how they can exempt a for profit water park but not exempt other for profit businesses dependent on water...  how is that justifiable?

As I have told many of my customers, it's as if we're in the midst of a beef shortage, and the government told McDonald's they can stay open, but Wendy's and Burger King have to close down.  It's absurd. 

But Chambers did say the exemption may change. So that may be why White Water isn't able to give you a firm answer.  They are no doubt hoping to keep their exemption.  It will be interesting to see if they do. 

I, for one, hope all pools are made exempt, or at least allowed to operate in a restricted manner than conserves water even more than we already do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys,</p>
<p>As crazy as this may sound, White Water is allowed to open under the current regulations.</p>
<p>See this article from the Gainsville Times where Kevin Chambers from the EPD is quoted as confirming that they are exempt. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/archive/2606/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/archive/2606/</a></p>
<p>What makes no sense is how they can exempt a for profit water park but not exempt other for profit businesses dependent on water&#8230;  how is that justifiable?</p>
<p>As I have told many of my customers, it&#8217;s as if we&#8217;re in the midst of a beef shortage, and the government told McDonald&#8217;s they can stay open, but Wendy&#8217;s and Burger King have to close down.  It&#8217;s absurd. </p>
<p>But Chambers did say the exemption may change. So that may be why White Water isn&#8217;t able to give you a firm answer.  They are no doubt hoping to keep their exemption.  It will be interesting to see if they do. </p>
<p>I, for one, hope all pools are made exempt, or at least allowed to operate in a restricted manner than conserves water even more than we already do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Randal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have connections in Georgia, so they expect to be exempted like Coca-Cola from any water use restrictions. Heck if and when there are lines to get buckets of water, then the park will say come refresh yourself here. Would be funny to see people shampooing their hair in park pools &#62; lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have connections in Georgia, so they expect to be exempted like Coca-Cola from any water use restrictions. Heck if and when there are lines to get buckets of water, then the park will say come refresh yourself here. Would be funny to see people shampooing their hair in park pools &gt; lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay I see your point.  From the message it sounds like they don't really know, or they do know and they don't want to tell you in case you make a stink about it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay I see your point.  From the message it sounds like they don&#8217;t really know, or they do know and they don&#8217;t want to tell you in case you make a stink about it. <img src='http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure they're hoping to be open, and I have no problem with them hoping that -- there are a lot of jobs at stake.

The main question I want to know is whether they're currently allowed to open.  It is:

A -- Not allowed to open under the current restrictions, so they're looking for changes to be made.
B -- Allowed to open under the current restrictions, so they're working to keep any new restrictions from affecting them.

I'm just curious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re hoping to be open, and I have no problem with them hoping that &#8212; there are a lot of jobs at stake.</p>
<p>The main question I want to know is whether they&#8217;re currently allowed to open.  It is:</p>
<p>A &#8212; Not allowed to open under the current restrictions, so they&#8217;re looking for changes to be made.<br />
B &#8212; Allowed to open under the current restrictions, so they&#8217;re working to keep any new restrictions from affecting them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just curious&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn't surprise me.  Just about every bureaucracy allows people to pass the buck and not take responsibility for saying something that could turn out to be controversial.  
In any case, what else could they answer?  They're hoping to be open because if they don't they lose money/go bankrupt, like every other for-profit water user in Georgia and they probably will be open unless someone forces them to close, which so far, I haven't seen anyone in the GA government with the desire nor the stomach to do that who had the power to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t surprise me.  Just about every bureaucracy allows people to pass the buck and not take responsibility for saying something that could turn out to be controversial.<br />
In any case, what else could they answer?  They&#8217;re hoping to be open because if they don&#8217;t they lose money/go bankrupt, like every other for-profit water user in Georgia and they probably will be open unless someone forces them to close, which so far, I haven&#8217;t seen anyone in the GA government with the desire nor the stomach to do that who had the power to do so.</p>
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