Comments on: Is economic competition the real reason for the water wars? http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/ Keeping you informed about the Georgia drought. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:39:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: RichS http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2565 RichS Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:38:53 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2565 John - again you missed the point. There is a difference between Alabama and Florida wanting more water to meet their needs, and wanting Georgia to have less water so it suffers. Both are economic motives, but they would never admit the latter motive because it is ugly and reflects very poorly on them. John - again you missed the point. There is a difference between Alabama and Florida wanting more water to meet their needs, and wanting Georgia to have less water so it suffers. Both are economic motives, but they would never admit the latter motive because it is ugly and reflects very poorly on them.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2534 Jay Randal Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:29:16 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2534 I used to live in Daytona Beach, but after that horrible year of hurricanes I moved away to Georgia. If I am forced to move again, then it will be a location and state with plenty of water. I used to live in Daytona Beach, but after that horrible year of hurricanes I moved away to Georgia. If I am forced to move again, then it will be a location and state with plenty of water.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2533 Jay Randal Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:27:28 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2533 John > not enough rain to make any difference for refilling Lake Lanier, but it keeps our yard plants and trees alive for now. John > not enough rain to make any difference for refilling Lake Lanier, but it keeps our yard plants and trees alive for now.

]]> By: John http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2521 John Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:46:13 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2521 rich, the article states well known facts. To publish an article that states "economics may be at heart of water wars" is almost stupid. Everyone knows that money drives everything, that is a given, even to suggest it is dumb. It is obvious. I was talking about possible conspiracy theorys. Oh well. I live in daytona beach now so I hope it works out for everyone, i hear you got lots of rain. rich, the article states well known facts. To publish an article that states “economics may be at heart of water wars” is almost stupid. Everyone knows that money drives everything, that is a given, even to suggest it is dumb. It is obvious. I was talking about possible conspiracy theorys.

Oh well.

I live in daytona beach now so I hope it works out for everyone, i hear you got lots of rain.

]]> By: ST http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2519 ST Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:27:42 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2519 True that the east US have leaned more towards riparian doctrine, but these are just general tendencies. Regardless, economic competition is behind the arguments of all three players in the water wars. All wish to have water set aside for their projected growth, to attract new industry and residents. True that the east US have leaned more towards riparian doctrine, but these are just general tendencies.

Regardless, economic competition is behind the arguments of all three players in the water wars. All wish to have water set aside for their projected growth, to attract new industry and residents.

]]> By: GThierry http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2517 GThierry Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:00:25 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2517 For some reason, my second link above did not work. Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_groundwater_law For some reason, my second link above did not work. Try

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_groundwater_law

]]> By: GThierry http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2516 GThierry Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:57:36 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2516 ST, Prior appropriation water rights apply to western states. Eastern states, including GA, AL, and FL, recognize riparian water rights where rights are based on possession of land adjacent to the stream. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riparian_water_rights and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_groundwater_law. I don't think prior rights apply to ACF/ACT, but then IANAL. ST,

Prior appropriation water rights apply to western states. Eastern states, including GA, AL, and FL, recognize riparian water rights where rights are based on possession of land adjacent to the stream. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riparian_water_rights and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_groundwater_law. I don’t think prior rights apply to ACF/ACT, but then IANAL.

]]> By: RichS http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2514 RichS Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:48:44 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2514 I think you are missing the point a little John. This isn't about businesses other than the fact that business tend to relocate to desirable locations and places that will give them land, tax incentives, etc to relocate. Nothing unethical about that for businesses. The problem is that we have three states that are supposed to be negotiating in good faith to find the most beneficial outcome for all. In other words cooperating for the greater good. If one or two of those states has a motive to deny water to the others, that is entirely different. I would go so far as to say it's despicable and I don't doubt that it's happening. I think you are missing the point a little John. This isn’t about businesses other than the fact that business tend to relocate to desirable locations and places that will give them land, tax incentives, etc to relocate. Nothing unethical about that for businesses.

The problem is that we have three states that are supposed to be negotiating in good faith to find the most beneficial outcome for all. In other words cooperating for the greater good. If one or two of those states has a motive to deny water to the others, that is entirely different. I would go so far as to say it’s despicable and I don’t doubt that it’s happening.

]]> By: John http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2505 John Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:48:21 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2505 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Water_Wars "The aqueduct was sold to the citizens of Los Angeles as vital to the growth of the city. However, unknown to the public, the initial water would be used to irrigate the San Fernando Valley to the north, which was not at the time a part of the city. A syndicate of investors (again, close friends of Eaton, including Harrison Gray Otis) bought up large tracts of land in the San Fernando Valley with this inside information.[6] This syndicate made substantial efforts to the passage of the bond issue that funded the aqueduct, including creating a false drought (by manipulating rainfall totals) and publishing scare articles in the Los Angeles Times, which Otis published." Big business can be very ruthless when it comes to making money. You have pharmacutical companies fudging data so they can release dangerous drugs. You have teams of psychoanalysts advising advertising agencies on how to brainwash you into buying their products. The list goes on and on. While the lack of rain is the main cause of this problem, i will bet there are people trying to make money off this crisis. If you could run atlanta dry, then land values will plummet and investors could buy everything for pennies on the dollar. Then by the time the drought is over and a new reservior is built they will make billions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Water_Wars

“The aqueduct was sold to the citizens of Los Angeles as vital to the growth of the city. However, unknown to the public, the initial water would be used to irrigate the San Fernando Valley to the north, which was not at the time a part of the city. A syndicate of investors (again, close friends of Eaton, including Harrison Gray Otis) bought up large tracts of land in the San Fernando Valley with this inside information.[6] This syndicate made substantial efforts to the passage of the bond issue that funded the aqueduct, including creating a false drought (by manipulating rainfall totals) and publishing scare articles in the Los Angeles Times, which Otis published.”

Big business can be very ruthless when it comes to making money. You have pharmacutical companies fudging data so they can release dangerous drugs. You have teams of psychoanalysts advising advertising agencies on how to brainwash you into buying their products. The list goes on and on.
While the lack of rain is the main cause of this problem, i will bet there are people trying to make money off this crisis. If you could run atlanta dry, then land values will plummet and investors could buy everything for pennies on the dollar. Then by the time the drought is over and a new reservior is built they will make billions.

]]> By: John http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2504 John Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:35:36 +0000 http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080110/is-economic-competition-the-real-reason-for-the-water-wars/#comment-2504 See the jack nicholson movie "chinatown" See the jack nicholson movie “chinatown”

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