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	<description>Keeping you informed about the Georgia drought.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080107/are-the-great-lakes-the-answer/#comment-3347</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you atlantians want a pipe from the lakes then what would happen when you use it all. If we do that, then in 15 years, we'll all be screwed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you atlantians want a pipe from the lakes then what would happen when you use it all. If we do that, then in 15 years, we&#8217;ll all be screwed</p>
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		<title>By: merry</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080107/are-the-great-lakes-the-answer/#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>merry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes yes, look at the lifestyles first in the drought striken areas of the country before even considering GL pipeline and yes, the red tape issues would take years to unravel before the 1st drop hit the south/southwest so I hope no one is standing around with a hose in hand in Raleigh or Vegas waiting to fill a pool! 

Also, not to sound like sour grapes, but HANDS OFF! So much of the water shortage can be traced to unprecedented growth is the drought locations that are mainly comprised of transplants for the water-rich north...can't have it all folks! Learn to conserve in your sunny, hot locales...I myslef live in the valley between two fresh water, brimming fill finger lakes (NY) and with the water shortages becoming the next natural resource battlefront, I'll stay put right here, visit the warm areas when needed and enjoy my water-rich location!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes yes, look at the lifestyles first in the drought striken areas of the country before even considering GL pipeline and yes, the red tape issues would take years to unravel before the 1st drop hit the south/southwest so I hope no one is standing around with a hose in hand in Raleigh or Vegas waiting to fill a pool! </p>
<p>Also, not to sound like sour grapes, but HANDS OFF! So much of the water shortage can be traced to unprecedented growth is the drought locations that are mainly comprised of transplants for the water-rich north&#8230;can&#8217;t have it all folks! Learn to conserve in your sunny, hot locales&#8230;I myslef live in the valley between two fresh water, brimming fill finger lakes (NY) and with the water shortages becoming the next natural resource battlefront, I&#8217;ll stay put right here, visit the warm areas when needed and enjoy my water-rich location!</p>
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		<title>By: John Laumer</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080107/are-the-great-lakes-the-answer/#comment-2651</link>
		<dc:creator>John Laumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of opinions and perspectives here; but darn few facts.  Try these out for size.

Lake Michigan has hydrologic replacement time of over 100 years.  That means the cumulative inflow- is very close to outflow-rate, which is why water levels fluctuate so with small changes in cloud and ice cover.  Replacement time is even larger for Superior. Exporting significant water volumes from the Great Lakes would have very significant adverse consequences.  It may not even be physically sustainable, depending on how big the "pipes" would be. 

A pipeline over a thousand miles long, as this GL pipe would be, would require frequent pumping stations to be installed and consumer large amounts of energy to operate.  The construction of such a line across multiple state and county boundaries would require extensive use of eminent domain to take property and run power lines.    Consider the time that it would take to design, gain legal authorizations (think Supreme Court appeals) budget for, acquire materials, and build such a pipeline and to provide for power supplies?  My guess would be on the order of 6 to 15 years for completion.  This will  not  help in a drought emergency over the next three years.

The USA has an historical example of people responding to severe regional drought: The Dust Bowl.  Listen to the music of Woody Guthrie if you want to get some idea of how it would feel to be forced to migrate to, say, Buffalo NY, with hat in hand, leaving a worthless home  and saddened community behind.

There will be no GL pipeline magic bullet. Part of the answer lies in life style changes that are going to be painful to accept. Another part lies in water conservation technology and better planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of opinions and perspectives here; but darn few facts.  Try these out for size.</p>
<p>Lake Michigan has hydrologic replacement time of over 100 years.  That means the cumulative inflow- is very close to outflow-rate, which is why water levels fluctuate so with small changes in cloud and ice cover.  Replacement time is even larger for Superior. Exporting significant water volumes from the Great Lakes would have very significant adverse consequences.  It may not even be physically sustainable, depending on how big the &#8220;pipes&#8221; would be. </p>
<p>A pipeline over a thousand miles long, as this GL pipe would be, would require frequent pumping stations to be installed and consumer large amounts of energy to operate.  The construction of such a line across multiple state and county boundaries would require extensive use of eminent domain to take property and run power lines.    Consider the time that it would take to design, gain legal authorizations (think Supreme Court appeals) budget for, acquire materials, and build such a pipeline and to provide for power supplies?  My guess would be on the order of 6 to 15 years for completion.  This will  not  help in a drought emergency over the next three years.</p>
<p>The USA has an historical example of people responding to severe regional drought: The Dust Bowl.  Listen to the music of Woody Guthrie if you want to get some idea of how it would feel to be forced to migrate to, say, Buffalo NY, with hat in hand, leaving a worthless home  and saddened community behind.</p>
<p>There will be no GL pipeline magic bullet. Part of the answer lies in life style changes that are going to be painful to accept. Another part lies in water conservation technology and better planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20080107/are-the-great-lakes-the-answer/#comment-2602</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point that seems to keep getting missed... most of the reason for the shortage of water is the once in a 100 year drought.   The other is that despite this once a century event, the Army Corps of Engineers continues to manage the lakes as if we have "rains a plenty" and it was only after Lake Lanier and Lake Allatoona hit record lows that they started to slow their reckless releases.   

Guess what happened once the ACOE slowed their releases and a little rain fell?   Answer:   The lakes began to slowly rise, although they are still quite low.   Allatoona is actually at what is termed "full winter pool".    

So demand isn't the real problem when supply is managed well and is seen at normal levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point that seems to keep getting missed&#8230; most of the reason for the shortage of water is the once in a 100 year drought.   The other is that despite this once a century event, the Army Corps of Engineers continues to manage the lakes as if we have &#8220;rains a plenty&#8221; and it was only after Lake Lanier and Lake Allatoona hit record lows that they started to slow their reckless releases.   </p>
<p>Guess what happened once the ACOE slowed their releases and a little rain fell?   Answer:   The lakes began to slowly rise, although they are still quite low.   Allatoona is actually at what is termed &#8220;full winter pool&#8221;.    </p>
<p>So demand isn&#8217;t the real problem when supply is managed well and is seen at normal levels.</p>
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		<title>By: richs</title>
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		<dc:creator>richs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure how Canada would have any right nor any means to stop the U.S. from using the water in the Great Lakes any way it wanted.  Nor would the U.S. be able to stop Canada from doing the same.  

Pretty much the only things that could be done are taking up arms, economic sanctions or U.N sanction (which the U.S. would of course veto).   Other than international uproar, there isn't much that could happen.  Hypothetical of course - at least in Georgia's case.  If we were going to pipe water in, there would be closer places to get it from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how Canada would have any right nor any means to stop the U.S. from using the water in the Great Lakes any way it wanted.  Nor would the U.S. be able to stop Canada from doing the same.  </p>
<p>Pretty much the only things that could be done are taking up arms, economic sanctions or U.N sanction (which the U.S. would of course veto).   Other than international uproar, there isn&#8217;t much that could happen.  Hypothetical of course - at least in Georgia&#8217;s case.  If we were going to pipe water in, there would be closer places to get it from.</p>
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		<title>By: Intheattic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intheattic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahaha... I agree with Terminus.  It's just hyperbole, tho.  We'll keep our water up here and you guys can keep the sunnier weather.  I always thought the Canadian neighbors would make it impossible to unilaterally move Great Lakes water too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahaha&#8230; I agree with Terminus.  It&#8217;s just hyperbole, tho.  We&#8217;ll keep our water up here and you guys can keep the sunnier weather.  I always thought the Canadian neighbors would make it impossible to unilaterally move Great Lakes water too.</p>
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		<title>By: richs</title>
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		<dc:creator>richs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terminus - please keep your water and your hate up north.  Just curious though.  How much would it take out of lake Superior to refill lake Lanier?  A centimeter?  You would go to war over a centimeter of water instead of sharing it with fellow Americans?  Shame on you and people like you.  You disgust me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terminus - please keep your water and your hate up north.  Just curious though.  How much would it take out of lake Superior to refill lake Lanier?  A centimeter?  You would go to war over a centimeter of water instead of sharing it with fellow Americans?  Shame on you and people like you.  You disgust me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Atlanta, but I don't think piping in water from elsewhere is a solution - it's just making the problem worse (and as others have pointed out, the Great Lakes have their own water level issues these days).  I stopped watering my lawn early in the summer (long before the watering restrictions went into play) and it stayed green - heck, it didn't grow as fast and I spent less time mowing!  There are folks in my subdivision that were watering in the heat of the afternoon because they didn't know how to change the schedule on their sprinkler systems.  Why should we pipe in more water just to see it evaporate because some idiot doesn't know how to water his lawn?  There is SO much that could be done to get by with what we have.  Restricting growth is anathema to politicians, but it would probably be a smart thing until we get a handle on the situation.

Leave the water in the Great Lakes and find REAL solutions.  Someone in Phoenix once told me that the water would be used SOMEWHERE, so why does it matter if they choose to pipe it to the desert and use it there?  Watching a golf course in Phoenix a few months ago watering its greens in the middle of the day, imagining how much evaporates into the air in the desert vs. providing for the grass, his argument seemed really... dumb... to me.  Using the water near it's source, your effluent goes back into the local system, making it more sustainable.  Piping it for use far away hurts both locations in different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Atlanta, but I don&#8217;t think piping in water from elsewhere is a solution - it&#8217;s just making the problem worse (and as others have pointed out, the Great Lakes have their own water level issues these days).  I stopped watering my lawn early in the summer (long before the watering restrictions went into play) and it stayed green - heck, it didn&#8217;t grow as fast and I spent less time mowing!  There are folks in my subdivision that were watering in the heat of the afternoon because they didn&#8217;t know how to change the schedule on their sprinkler systems.  Why should we pipe in more water just to see it evaporate because some idiot doesn&#8217;t know how to water his lawn?  There is SO much that could be done to get by with what we have.  Restricting growth is anathema to politicians, but it would probably be a smart thing until we get a handle on the situation.</p>
<p>Leave the water in the Great Lakes and find REAL solutions.  Someone in Phoenix once told me that the water would be used SOMEWHERE, so why does it matter if they choose to pipe it to the desert and use it there?  Watching a golf course in Phoenix a few months ago watering its greens in the middle of the day, imagining how much evaporates into the air in the desert vs. providing for the grass, his argument seemed really&#8230; dumb&#8230; to me.  Using the water near it&#8217;s source, your effluent goes back into the local system, making it more sustainable.  Piping it for use far away hurts both locations in different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terminus is right.</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Randal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terminus &#62; nobody from the South is going to come take your water with an army. Someday water pipelines might be built from Canada to the Southeast to supply our water needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terminus &gt; nobody from the South is going to come take your water with an army. Someday water pipelines might be built from Canada to the Southeast to supply our water needs.</p>
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