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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just browsing the GA EPD mandate on drought management, excerpt: 1d. Other Restricted Outdoor Water Uses
Follow Basic schedule for Levels One and Two: Listed Activities are prohibited for Levels Three and Four.
- Filling installed swimming pools (except when necessary for health care or structural integrity)

The worrying about pools opening or not is based on this document I believe. If already installed pools are emptied, they will collapse, non? So isn't this a loophole?
Have just emailed AJC re: an article posted 1/30/08 stating a bill has been passed to allow pools to open...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just browsing the GA EPD mandate on drought management, excerpt: 1d. Other Restricted Outdoor Water Uses<br />
Follow Basic schedule for Levels One and Two: Listed Activities are prohibited for Levels Three and Four.<br />
- Filling installed swimming pools (except when necessary for health care or structural integrity)</p>
<p>The worrying about pools opening or not is based on this document I believe. If already installed pools are emptied, they will collapse, non? So isn&#8217;t this a loophole?<br />
Have just emailed AJC re: an article posted 1/30/08 stating a bill has been passed to allow pools to open&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Atlanta Water Shortage &#187; Georgia Drought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The next two months could determine the fate of swimming pools for this summer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atlanta Water Shortage &#187; Georgia Drought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The next two months could determine the fate of swimming pools for this summer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Level 4 drought that we&#8217;re currently in.  Under the current restrictions, outdoor pools won&#8217;t be allowed to open this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SBennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>SBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 04:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It's just not what they do."  I am still laughing so hard I can hardly write this email.  Who is "they" and are you trying to say "they" in the inner city are different then "they" in the outer city.  Or maybe you should just say what you mean, that you think "they" are scared of the water and "they" don't or can't swim.  You obviously have not been to any pool any time recently especially in Atlanta or Decatur.  Where else do you think a family on a limited income can send their children or go with their children all day for a few bucks?  These are the people who will suffer the most.  What else are all the children all over metro atlanta going to do this summer?  Never mind the tens of thousand of people employeed by this industry. 
 
It is arbitrary and unjust that outdoor pools be restricted.  What about swim teams?  Let's stop watering the football fields and see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s just not what they do.&#8221;  I am still laughing so hard I can hardly write this email.  Who is &#8220;they&#8221; and are you trying to say &#8220;they&#8221; in the inner city are different then &#8220;they&#8221; in the outer city.  Or maybe you should just say what you mean, that you think &#8220;they&#8221; are scared of the water and &#8220;they&#8221; don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t swim.  You obviously have not been to any pool any time recently especially in Atlanta or Decatur.  Where else do you think a family on a limited income can send their children or go with their children all day for a few bucks?  These are the people who will suffer the most.  What else are all the children all over metro atlanta going to do this summer?  Never mind the tens of thousand of people employeed by this industry. </p>
<p>It is arbitrary and unjust that outdoor pools be restricted.  What about swim teams?  Let&#8217;s stop watering the football fields and see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Atlanta Water Shortage &#187; Georgia Drought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pool restrictions beginning to concern parents</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atlanta Water Shortage &#187; Georgia Drought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pool restrictions beginning to concern parents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that parents are facing as they realize that pools might not be filled this summer.  We&#8217;ve talked about this before, but this article shows that more people are starting to realize [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kathy Asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a mother of 3. My children stretch from elementary thru High School and the great thing about swimming pools is it serves as entertainment for all 3 ages. It does the same for our generation &#38; our parents generation as well.
A swimming pool knows no specific age. It provides exercise, a place to gather with friends and a place to rehabilitate perhaps after an injury. 
Swimming being non-weightbearing is the only form of exercise many can do. Many children count on swimming as an outlet for weight loss &#38; general physical fitness. Without it many children will be retreating indoors for air conditioning, unhealthy snacks, TV &#38; video games. Heavier children who find little success in other sports excel in summer league swim teams because you are weightless in a pool.  It is only @ swim team they can be the star rather than bullied. 

Most all families utilize a pool each summer because it benefits one personal budget. Many pay large annual homeowner fees for the purpose of having recreational facilities available.
Pools are the right place @ the right price to release energy, get necessary Vitamin D (provided by sunlight-etc.) Without it you're looking at a monster financially. Kids will be draining their parents pocketbooks in search of alternate entertainment.

My point is know what you are doing. Know the magnitude of stripping children from this resource they have worked &#38; looked forward to their entire school year. Know that it is bigger than just looking for an outlet for conserving water. Have we asked ourselves if we took one too many bath just because we had sore muscles &#38; it felt good? Do we leave the water running to brush our teeth just because we've gotten in the lazy habit of doing so? Do we wash just a few items rather than a full load we need because we forgot to throw in Johnny's basketball jersey in the last load? Almost every household could admit to such things &#38; could make a change if we put our minds to it. 
Many adults that would pass such laws to ban pools may be the very ones that justify their golf course still operating which requires large amounts of daily watering to upkeep. How about pools at fancy hotels, health/country clubs that have operated as usual through out this drought. Oh &#38; many could not imagine their babies not having the utmost regular care @ the car spa. If we admit it, this is the reality &#38; we should exhaust all other sources rather than penalizing our local children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a mother of 3. My children stretch from elementary thru High School and the great thing about swimming pools is it serves as entertainment for all 3 ages. It does the same for our generation &amp; our parents generation as well.<br />
A swimming pool knows no specific age. It provides exercise, a place to gather with friends and a place to rehabilitate perhaps after an injury.<br />
Swimming being non-weightbearing is the only form of exercise many can do. Many children count on swimming as an outlet for weight loss &amp; general physical fitness. Without it many children will be retreating indoors for air conditioning, unhealthy snacks, TV &amp; video games. Heavier children who find little success in other sports excel in summer league swim teams because you are weightless in a pool.  It is only @ swim team they can be the star rather than bullied. </p>
<p>Most all families utilize a pool each summer because it benefits one personal budget. Many pay large annual homeowner fees for the purpose of having recreational facilities available.<br />
Pools are the right place @ the right price to release energy, get necessary Vitamin D (provided by sunlight-etc.) Without it you&#8217;re looking at a monster financially. Kids will be draining their parents pocketbooks in search of alternate entertainment.</p>
<p>My point is know what you are doing. Know the magnitude of stripping children from this resource they have worked &amp; looked forward to their entire school year. Know that it is bigger than just looking for an outlet for conserving water. Have we asked ourselves if we took one too many bath just because we had sore muscles &amp; it felt good? Do we leave the water running to brush our teeth just because we&#8217;ve gotten in the lazy habit of doing so? Do we wash just a few items rather than a full load we need because we forgot to throw in Johnny&#8217;s basketball jersey in the last load? Almost every household could admit to such things &amp; could make a change if we put our minds to it.<br />
Many adults that would pass such laws to ban pools may be the very ones that justify their golf course still operating which requires large amounts of daily watering to upkeep. How about pools at fancy hotels, health/country clubs that have operated as usual through out this drought. Oh &amp; many could not imagine their babies not having the utmost regular care @ the car spa. If we admit it, this is the reality &amp; we should exhaust all other sources rather than penalizing our local children.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Sears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Sears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol,

It's interesting that you immediately assumed I was referring to violence and crime in the inner city. I'm referring to it everywhere. 

A month or so ago, 6 or 7 kids from Northview High School in Duluth (a wealthy surburb) got busted for breaking into cars and stealing property.  This problem is not isolated to the inner city.  It's everywhere. 

And I'm not saying that pools will solve that problem, but it definitely gives them a place to go that they can recreate with friends in a healthy environment, as opposed to concocting dangerous or illegal ways to pass the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you immediately assumed I was referring to violence and crime in the inner city. I&#8217;m referring to it everywhere. </p>
<p>A month or so ago, 6 or 7 kids from Northview High School in Duluth (a wealthy surburb) got busted for breaking into cars and stealing property.  This problem is not isolated to the inner city.  It&#8217;s everywhere. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not saying that pools will solve that problem, but it definitely gives them a place to go that they can recreate with friends in a healthy environment, as opposed to concocting dangerous or illegal ways to pass the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I live in Atlanta.  How many people did West Nile kill in Atlanta last summer?
And yes, I've been to downtown Atlanta.  Guess what?  Not that many inner-city poor people in Atlanta go swimming in the summer.   It's just not what they do.   It is laughable that you are trying to make the argument that pools will keep youths from being violent.
If you want to argue that limiting pool use will put the pool industry out of business, fine.  But really, the other arguments are indeed laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I live in Atlanta.  How many people did West Nile kill in Atlanta last summer?<br />
And yes, I&#8217;ve been to downtown Atlanta.  Guess what?  Not that many inner-city poor people in Atlanta go swimming in the summer.   It&#8217;s just not what they do.   It is laughable that you are trying to make the argument that pools will keep youths from being violent.<br />
If you want to argue that limiting pool use will put the pool industry out of business, fine.  But really, the other arguments are indeed laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Sears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Sears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I'd share an interesting tidbit of info I just learned from a colleague of mine. The folks in NC are also experiencing a severe drought, as we are here in GA. 

And like here, they have also banned construction of new swimming pools. However, interestingly enough they have not banned the filling of existing swimming pools because they recognize the importance of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I&#8217;d share an interesting tidbit of info I just learned from a colleague of mine. The folks in NC are also experiencing a severe drought, as we are here in GA. </p>
<p>And like here, they have also banned construction of new swimming pools. However, interestingly enough they have not banned the filling of existing swimming pools because they recognize the importance of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Sears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Sears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean and Carol,

Where do you guys live anyway? Are you even in Atlanta?

From a number of the comments you've made on these posts, I don't think so. It's easy for you to analyze this situation from afar when it doesn't affect you at all.  In fact, you even seem to relish the difficult situation Atlantans are in. 

This is not something caused by OUR fault.  We (those of us posting here) are normal hard-working citizens than cannot control the weather nor the water policy.  These are decisions we entrust to our government.  Obviously, someone fell asleep at the wheel here to get us into this situation. Now we're trying to make it right.  But to do that, we need to have intelligent policy made by well-informed leaders. 

When the current GA EPD drought management plan was being drafted 4-5 years ago, no one from the pool industry was involved. So pools got written into drought level 4 without any real thought or examination of the facts or implications.  Now that this is the first time the drought plan has been enacted since it was drafted, there is massive confusion over how to interpret it. So it's time to evaluate the plan and make suggestions to improve it. 

But the "solution" you offer, of just "suck it up" and "deal with it," implies that we somehow deserve this fate, which is totally absurd.  Secondly, this kind of approach does not sovle any problem or help anyone.   

Carol,

The fact that you work in public health only makes it all the more repugnant that you think West Nile is laughable. Can you explain that to the lady in this article? 

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5324625

The CDC has article after article on their website warning people of the dangers of West Nile and how to protect yourself from it. Although this disease usually does not become life threatening, people die from it every year!  And even in milder forms, it can make people very sick and it is a significant risk for elderly people. That doesn't sound "laughable" to me. 

Anyone who spends time around teenagers has enough common sense to observe that when they are not preoccupied with something constructive or have healthy recreational outlets, they have a tendency to get into trouble, particulary in the summer when they have ample free time on their hands. If pools remained closed, thousands of teens will be without jobs this summer, giving them more free time.  I don't have a scientific study on that, but it doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean and Carol,</p>
<p>Where do you guys live anyway? Are you even in Atlanta?</p>
<p>From a number of the comments you&#8217;ve made on these posts, I don&#8217;t think so. It&#8217;s easy for you to analyze this situation from afar when it doesn&#8217;t affect you at all.  In fact, you even seem to relish the difficult situation Atlantans are in. </p>
<p>This is not something caused by OUR fault.  We (those of us posting here) are normal hard-working citizens than cannot control the weather nor the water policy.  These are decisions we entrust to our government.  Obviously, someone fell asleep at the wheel here to get us into this situation. Now we&#8217;re trying to make it right.  But to do that, we need to have intelligent policy made by well-informed leaders. </p>
<p>When the current GA EPD drought management plan was being drafted 4-5 years ago, no one from the pool industry was involved. So pools got written into drought level 4 without any real thought or examination of the facts or implications.  Now that this is the first time the drought plan has been enacted since it was drafted, there is massive confusion over how to interpret it. So it&#8217;s time to evaluate the plan and make suggestions to improve it. </p>
<p>But the &#8220;solution&#8221; you offer, of just &#8220;suck it up&#8221; and &#8220;deal with it,&#8221; implies that we somehow deserve this fate, which is totally absurd.  Secondly, this kind of approach does not sovle any problem or help anyone.   </p>
<p>Carol,</p>
<p>The fact that you work in public health only makes it all the more repugnant that you think West Nile is laughable. Can you explain that to the lady in this article? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5324625" rel="nofollow">http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5324625</a></p>
<p>The CDC has article after article on their website warning people of the dangers of West Nile and how to protect yourself from it. Although this disease usually does not become life threatening, people die from it every year!  And even in milder forms, it can make people very sick and it is a significant risk for elderly people. That doesn&#8217;t sound &#8220;laughable&#8221; to me. </p>
<p>Anyone who spends time around teenagers has enough common sense to observe that when they are not preoccupied with something constructive or have healthy recreational outlets, they have a tendency to get into trouble, particulary in the summer when they have ample free time on their hands. If pools remained closed, thousands of teens will be without jobs this summer, giving them more free time.  I don&#8217;t have a scientific study on that, but it doesn&#8217;t take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean is the smartest person commenting on the website (Aside from myself, of course :).
The whole mosquito thread is laughable.  I work in public health. Trust me, mosquitos are not a health concern here.  West Nile has killed fewer people here than hangnails.
This is my favorite, from Craig Sears:  "A lack of constructive recreational and socialiazation opportunities for youth can lead to increased violence, crime, and vandalism."  Sure Craig, more swimming pools, less violence.  Of course, it's been scientifically validated.  Makes perfect sense, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean is the smartest person commenting on the website (Aside from myself, of course :).<br />
The whole mosquito thread is laughable.  I work in public health. Trust me, mosquitos are not a health concern here.  West Nile has killed fewer people here than hangnails.<br />
This is my favorite, from Craig Sears:  &#8220;A lack of constructive recreational and socialiazation opportunities for youth can lead to increased violence, crime, and vandalism.&#8221;  Sure Craig, more swimming pools, less violence.  Of course, it&#8217;s been scientifically validated.  Makes perfect sense, right?</p>
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