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	<title>Comments on: So maybe the dead pool isn&#8217;t so bad&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: We&#8217;ve improved to &#8220;extreme drought&#8221; status &#124; Atlanta Water Shortage</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20071209/so-maybe-the-dead-pool-isnt-so-bad/#comment-3210</link>
		<dc:creator>We&#8217;ve improved to &#8220;extreme drought&#8221; status &#124; Atlanta Water Shortage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to see what happens this summer.  Will we hit the magic 1035&#8242; level (even if it&#8217;s not as bad as we thought)?  Lower than that?  What do you think?   Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to see what happens this summer.  Will we hit the magic 1035&#8242; level (even if it&#8217;s not as bad as we thought)?  Lower than that?  What do you think?   Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: richs</title>
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		<dc:creator>richs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sak - not an expert in this, but I will point out that I think you are confusing hydroelectric with other power plants.  The turbines stopping is strictly a hydroelectric issue.  I have read somewhere that hydroelectric amounts to about 2% of the area's power.  

I have also read that if the flow from the Chatahoochee is not sufficient to cool the downsteam plants that it will be possible to bring in power from elsewhere on the grid.  I'm sure there will be an economic impact but I'm not seeing predictions that there will be a widespread electricity outage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sak - not an expert in this, but I will point out that I think you are confusing hydroelectric with other power plants.  The turbines stopping is strictly a hydroelectric issue.  I have read somewhere that hydroelectric amounts to about 2% of the area&#8217;s power.  </p>
<p>I have also read that if the flow from the Chatahoochee is not sufficient to cool the downsteam plants that it will be possible to bring in power from elsewhere on the grid.  I&#8217;m sure there will be an economic impact but I&#8217;m not seeing predictions that there will be a widespread electricity outage.</p>
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		<title>By: SAK's</title>
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		<dc:creator>SAK's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>67.

      Although ‘water shortage’ is the theme here, I find the power shortage potential more electrifying. Ahem. Has anyone on AWS investigated the anticipated power loss to Atlanta, as the FIRST major side effect of water loss? Here’s my reasoning.
      Today, the AJC reported the 61 county area lessened their November water consumption by 15%. 6% of this reduction came from residences and businesses while the remaining 9% came from the shutdown of two hydroelectric plants. Both plants were reporting financial losses due to the t shutdown. One was shutdown for equipment repair, the other due to ‘drought restrictions’. They consume hundreds of millions of gallons daily when they are operating. FYI: SEPA is the entity that reroutes electrical power by the way. If you google drought summit june 2007 you will find an ACE pdf, (see page 4) where the SEPA rep is saying that Allatoona loses 25% of it’s hydroelectric generating capacity when at 828-830 ft. Well, it is now at 818 ft. On the lanier side,AWS bloggers, quoting the Corp, have stated that the two big turbines stop at 1035 ft or so….with a smaller one at 1020.
      So it appears to beg a question of SEPA or other public authorities…how may power days are left and how much more will it cost in the future? I have read about the much reduced water consumption by GA Power, for instance, once they installed cooling towers. The water savings were tremendous. SAK 

So the question is:  How many power days do we have left when Lanier hits Deadpool and the turbines stop?  Which will run out first, water or electricity...and why? All information (certifiable) is appreciated. SAK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>67.</p>
<p>      Although ‘water shortage’ is the theme here, I find the power shortage potential more electrifying. Ahem. Has anyone on AWS investigated the anticipated power loss to Atlanta, as the FIRST major side effect of water loss? Here’s my reasoning.<br />
      Today, the AJC reported the 61 county area lessened their November water consumption by 15%. 6% of this reduction came from residences and businesses while the remaining 9% came from the shutdown of two hydroelectric plants. Both plants were reporting financial losses due to the t shutdown. One was shutdown for equipment repair, the other due to ‘drought restrictions’. They consume hundreds of millions of gallons daily when they are operating. FYI: SEPA is the entity that reroutes electrical power by the way. If you google drought summit june 2007 you will find an ACE pdf, (see page 4) where the SEPA rep is saying that Allatoona loses 25% of it’s hydroelectric generating capacity when at 828-830 ft. Well, it is now at 818 ft. On the lanier side,AWS bloggers, quoting the Corp, have stated that the two big turbines stop at 1035 ft or so….with a smaller one at 1020.<br />
      So it appears to beg a question of SEPA or other public authorities…how may power days are left and how much more will it cost in the future? I have read about the much reduced water consumption by GA Power, for instance, once they installed cooling towers. The water savings were tremendous. SAK </p>
<p>So the question is:  How many power days do we have left when Lanier hits Deadpool and the turbines stop?  Which will run out first, water or electricity&#8230;and why? All information (certifiable) is appreciated. SAK</p>
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		<title>By: rkolter</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkolter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to The Inflation Calculator, 

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi

45 million in 1958 is over 311 million in 2006.  That seems on the surface to be a reasonable cost for a dam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to The Inflation Calculator, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi" rel="nofollow">http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi</a></p>
<p>45 million in 1958 is over 311 million in 2006.  That seems on the surface to be a reasonable cost for a dam.</p>
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		<title>By: Shab</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20071209/so-maybe-the-dead-pool-isnt-so-bad/#comment-2071</link>
		<dc:creator>Shab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon me, "damn" should be dam ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon me, &#8220;damn&#8221; should be dam &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shab</title>
		<link>http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/20071209/so-maybe-the-dead-pool-isnt-so-bad/#comment-2070</link>
		<dc:creator>Shab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Randal:

Re: the damn cost... that 45 million is probably in 1950's money. If so, care to scale it to 2008 dollars? I bet you have to add a couple of zeros prior to the decimal point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Randal:</p>
<p>Re: the damn cost&#8230; that 45 million is probably in 1950&#8217;s money. If so, care to scale it to 2008 dollars? I bet you have to add a couple of zeros prior to the decimal point.</p>
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		<title>By: RichS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure the numbers could be compiled county by county.  Unfortunately I have an actual job that keeps food on the table.  Way too time consuming for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the numbers could be compiled county by county.  Unfortunately I have an actual job that keeps food on the table.  Way too time consuming for me.</p>
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		<title>By: rkolter</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkolter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The numbers come from various documents that are linked in the wiki - as far as I can tell, they're fairly recent numbers.

Since they're actual numbers, "maximum" doesn't really have a meaning here - if they were inflow numbers, that would be different.  The max inflow for example, for Atlanta is 750 million gallons I remember reading, from 2005.

I'd agree - if the additional population isn't drawing from the ACF, then argueing about sprawl would be at a minimum, misleading.  I don't have any numbers on where the population growth in Atlanta is occuring.  I wonder where we'd get that info?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The numbers come from various documents that are linked in the wiki - as far as I can tell, they&#8217;re fairly recent numbers.</p>
<p>Since they&#8217;re actual numbers, &#8220;maximum&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really have a meaning here - if they were inflow numbers, that would be different.  The max inflow for example, for Atlanta is 750 million gallons I remember reading, from 2005.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree - if the additional population isn&#8217;t drawing from the ACF, then argueing about sprawl would be at a minimum, misleading.  I don&#8217;t have any numbers on where the population growth in Atlanta is occuring.  I wonder where we&#8217;d get that info?</p>
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		<title>By: RichS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, one more thing -  I would ask if those numbers are actual use or permitted use?  It may be that actual use is considerably below the maximum that some communities are permitted for.  At least you would hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, one more thing -  I would ask if those numbers are actual use or permitted use?  It may be that actual use is considerably below the maximum that some communities are permitted for.  At least you would hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: RichS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rkolter -  In 2003 there weren't the stringent watering restrictions that are in place now so I think if anything the numbers might be lower now.  

I would also ask if it has been verified that all those sources are from the ACF basin?  

Either way - 150 MGD or 200 MGD.  I think either of those numbers could be considered valid so I don't think we have any real argument there.

This also brings up another point that I was pondering.  (I probably spend way too much time pondering this stuff.)  I see a lot of the attacks on Atlanta citing figures for population growth - implying that water use is growing in proportion to population growth.  While that may be true to some extent, the great majority of growth is in suburban and exurban counties - many of which do not draw their water from ACF.  It is simply a lazy argument to inflame tempers - not draw attention to facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rkolter -  In 2003 there weren&#8217;t the stringent watering restrictions that are in place now so I think if anything the numbers might be lower now.  </p>
<p>I would also ask if it has been verified that all those sources are from the ACF basin?  </p>
<p>Either way - 150 MGD or 200 MGD.  I think either of those numbers could be considered valid so I don&#8217;t think we have any real argument there.</p>
<p>This also brings up another point that I was pondering.  (I probably spend way too much time pondering this stuff.)  I see a lot of the attacks on Atlanta citing figures for population growth - implying that water use is growing in proportion to population growth.  While that may be true to some extent, the great majority of growth is in suburban and exurban counties - many of which do not draw their water from ACF.  It is simply a lazy argument to inflame tempers - not draw attention to facts.</p>
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