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	<title>Comments on: Lanier should stay above 1035 feet until sometime next summer</title>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prayer will be useful only if the people listen to the answer: "Figure it out and don't waste it. I already sent you rain." I agree that creativity is needed.

Desalination plants and water imported from the Great Lakes could not be accomplished quickly and the cost, including pipeline transport, might be prohibitive. Wells tapping the aquifer might help. Someone should be paid to investigate. Lake Superior is down 5 feet (which is huge) and Michigan will fight a Great Lakes drain, like Texas would if we tried to take its oil.

For now, using the water we saved (in Lanier and Allatoona) from several years ago seems a lot more productive solution than throwing it away and trying to pump in a replacement from far away. Write your congressman and senators like I did. It will rain eventually. We just need to plan now for larger reservoirs and we immediately need the ability to stop imprudent releases. 

For now, when the level falls "below the normal pool," our water quality will suffer. I've bought filters and hope they will work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prayer will be useful only if the people listen to the answer: &#8220;Figure it out and don&#8217;t waste it. I already sent you rain.&#8221; I agree that creativity is needed.</p>
<p>Desalination plants and water imported from the Great Lakes could not be accomplished quickly and the cost, including pipeline transport, might be prohibitive. Wells tapping the aquifer might help. Someone should be paid to investigate. Lake Superior is down 5 feet (which is huge) and Michigan will fight a Great Lakes drain, like Texas would if we tried to take its oil.</p>
<p>For now, using the water we saved (in Lanier and Allatoona) from several years ago seems a lot more productive solution than throwing it away and trying to pump in a replacement from far away. Write your congressman and senators like I did. It will rain eventually. We just need to plan now for larger reservoirs and we immediately need the ability to stop imprudent releases. </p>
<p>For now, when the level falls &#8220;below the normal pool,&#8221; our water quality will suffer. I&#8217;ve bought filters and hope they will work.</p>
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		<title>By: DoSomethingSonny!</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoSomethingSonny!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have 3 months to do something in addition to Sonny's (?) prayers...

There may not be solutions to the Lanier problem but there are alternative solutions to the PROBLEM. The problem is not Lake Lanier, the problem is a reliable water source. Possible solutions: Wells; Pipeline from Great Lakes; Desalinization, etc. The Lake is gone and may never recover if releases continue. So, solutions are needed for the problem and not Lanier. And, prayer vigils are not going to re-fill the lake. We only have a couple months to get meaningful actions in place and those with the resources and power and budgets are praying and not planning!!!!!!!! People need to stop focusing on rain and Lake Lanier - the world is 80% water, it's time to get creative. Water is not the issue, creativity is what's lacking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have 3 months to do something in addition to Sonny&#8217;s (?) prayers&#8230;</p>
<p>There may not be solutions to the Lanier problem but there are alternative solutions to the PROBLEM. The problem is not Lake Lanier, the problem is a reliable water source. Possible solutions: Wells; Pipeline from Great Lakes; Desalinization, etc. The Lake is gone and may never recover if releases continue. So, solutions are needed for the problem and not Lanier. And, prayer vigils are not going to re-fill the lake. We only have a couple months to get meaningful actions in place and those with the resources and power and budgets are praying and not planning!!!!!!!! People need to stop focusing on rain and Lake Lanier - the world is 80% water, it&#8217;s time to get creative. Water is not the issue, creativity is what&#8217;s lacking.</p>
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		<title>By: mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long-term, yes, you are correct -- we need a reliable water source.

For now, though, there is no other water source.  It's Lanier or bust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long-term, yes, you are correct &#8212; we need a reliable water source.</p>
<p>For now, though, there is no other water source.  It&#8217;s Lanier or bust.</p>
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		<title>By: DoSomethingSonny!</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoSomethingSonny!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lanier is NOT the issue - focus on the problem - a reliable water source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lanier is NOT the issue - focus on the problem - a reliable water source.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The days to depletion calculation can be simplified. 

The State said on 11/1 that we had an 80-day supply. So on 11/16, we would have a 65-day supply. A 16% reduction then would mean usage at 84% of whatever the rate has been. So just divide the # of days supply by 1 minus the reduced percent (or the increased percent if applicable, since today's AJC said it's increasing from 1.2B to 1.7B gallons a day--a 42% increase).

D = days left as of 11/16/07
D = 65/(1.00-0.16) = 65/0.84 = 77 days (11 weeks--1/31/08)
D = 65/1.00+.042) = 65/1.42 = 46 days (Happy New Year)

If we believe the Corps of Engineers instead, they said on 10/19 that we had 282 days minus 169 below the normal usable pool, for a total of 113 days. So on 11/16, 28 days later, there would be 85 days.

D = 85/.084 = 101 days (2/25/08)
D = 85/1.42 = 60 days (Mid-January)

It seems fairly certain we will have a water quality problem soon if we have to draw from deeper down, and the sediment may clog pipes. Can’t we just send Alabama and Florida electricity instead of water and let God decide if it’s time for the mussels to die out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The days to depletion calculation can be simplified. </p>
<p>The State said on 11/1 that we had an 80-day supply. So on 11/16, we would have a 65-day supply. A 16% reduction then would mean usage at 84% of whatever the rate has been. So just divide the # of days supply by 1 minus the reduced percent (or the increased percent if applicable, since today&#8217;s AJC said it&#8217;s increasing from 1.2B to 1.7B gallons a day&#8211;a 42% increase).</p>
<p>D = days left as of 11/16/07<br />
D = 65/(1.00-0.16) = 65/0.84 = 77 days (11 weeks&#8211;1/31/08)<br />
D = 65/1.00+.042) = 65/1.42 = 46 days (Happy New Year)</p>
<p>If we believe the Corps of Engineers instead, they said on 10/19 that we had 282 days minus 169 below the normal usable pool, for a total of 113 days. So on 11/16, 28 days later, there would be 85 days.</p>
<p>D = 85/.084 = 101 days (2/25/08)<br />
D = 85/1.42 = 60 days (Mid-January)</p>
<p>It seems fairly certain we will have a water quality problem soon if we have to draw from deeper down, and the sediment may clog pipes. Can’t we just send Alabama and Florida electricity instead of water and let God decide if it’s time for the mussels to die out?</p>
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		<title>By: mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only that, but the general rule is 70 gallons per PERSON.  We're a family of four, so that'd be about 8000 gallons/month, or about $2480/month for water. :)

We're a bit below that number of gallons, but not much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only that, but the general rule is 70 gallons per PERSON.  We&#8217;re a family of four, so that&#8217;d be about 8000 gallons/month, or about $2480/month for water. <img src='http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We&#8217;re a bit below that number of gallons, but not much.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the river rivalry article again, and it does say that about a third of the 3.2 gallons is provided by Lanier. So you may be right. I'm not an engineer. Still, if they were saying an 80-day supply as of 11/1,that sounds pretty bad. I guess I'd better buy more water filter cartridges in case they have to start drawing from "below the readily-available level" early next year and the water's quality deteriorates significantly. I did look up the links for you: 
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/governors1102b.html
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/governors1101b.html
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/opinion/stories/2007/10/24/huntered_1025.html
I see that the Centennial Park skating rink is having water trucked in from Kentucky and it's going to cost them the equivalent of 31 cents a gallon. If we all had to pay $310 per thousand gallons, for a mere 2,000 gallons a month, that would be $620 a month for household water. I think I'd move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the river rivalry article again, and it does say that about a third of the 3.2 gallons is provided by Lanier. So you may be right. I&#8217;m not an engineer. Still, if they were saying an 80-day supply as of 11/1,that sounds pretty bad. I guess I&#8217;d better buy more water filter cartridges in case they have to start drawing from &#8220;below the readily-available level&#8221; early next year and the water&#8217;s quality deteriorates significantly. I did look up the links for you:<br />
<a href="http://www.ajc.com/search/content/governors1102b.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ajc.com/search/content/governors1102b.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ajc.com/search/content/governors1101b.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ajc.com/search/content/governors1101b.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ajc.com/search/content/opinion/stories/2007/10/24/huntered_1025.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ajc.com/search/content/opinion/stories/2007/10/24/huntered_1025.html</a><br />
I see that the Centennial Park skating rink is having water trucked in from Kentucky and it&#8217;s going to cost them the equivalent of 31 cents a gallon. If we all had to pay $310 per thousand gallons, for a mere 2,000 gallons a month, that would be $620 a month for household water. I think I&#8217;d move.</p>
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		<title>By: mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info.  I think I see the confusion.

3.2B gallons at the state line is much different than 3.2 gallons out of the dam.  Other water sources feed into the river while it's in Georgia, helping to raise that number.  The billion or so gallons that is released daily from Lanier is a starting point, and it climbs to 3.2B by the time it hits the state line, after being fed from other smaller creeks and rivers.

I think. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info.  I think I see the confusion.</p>
<p>3.2B gallons at the state line is much different than 3.2 gallons out of the dam.  Other water sources feed into the river while it&#8217;s in Georgia, helping to raise that number.  The billion or so gallons that is released daily from Lanier is a starting point, and it climbs to 3.2B by the time it hits the state line, after being fed from other smaller creeks and rivers.</p>
<p>I think. <img src='http://www.atlantawatershortage.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 3.2 billion gallons number came from 10/25 article "Allow only unimpaired flows from Lake Lanier," which also states that that is the release at the Georgia-Florida state line, and it was written by the Commissioner of the city of Atlanta's Department of Watershed Management.  On 11/2, the article "States to End River Rivalry" again refers to the 3.2 billion being cut to 2.7 billion. On 11/1, the article "Water Wars Land in Washington's Lap" refers to the 80 days supply (the corps estimates it higher) and it also refers to the 70 gallons of water per day per person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3.2 billion gallons number came from 10/25 article &#8220;Allow only unimpaired flows from Lake Lanier,&#8221; which also states that that is the release at the Georgia-Florida state line, and it was written by the Commissioner of the city of Atlanta&#8217;s Department of Watershed Management.  On 11/2, the article &#8220;States to End River Rivalry&#8221; again refers to the 3.2 billion being cut to 2.7 billion. On 11/1, the article &#8220;Water Wars Land in Washington&#8217;s Lap&#8221; refers to the 80 days supply (the corps estimates it higher) and it also refers to the 70 gallons of water per day per person.</p>
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		<title>By: rkolter</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkolter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked that in the forum - 1.83 billion gallons of that is outflow from the dam itself - that's double-normal.  What gives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked that in the forum - 1.83 billion gallons of that is outflow from the dam itself - that&#8217;s double-normal.  What gives?</p>
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